U99 Supersub wrote:Hi Andy,
I live in the North London area, well York but it's north of London.
I would love to attend your indoor meeting. It would be nice to see the AMS boats with their steering gater bellows and bicycle inner tube ballast tanks, not to mention the most highly qualified submariners in the world............Reported to be AMS members. I bet the real reason for the indoor event is for the benifit of the outdated, antiquated AMS boats to sink......oop's I mean sail in safety.
SC members build and operate good dependable working subs, whilst the AMS..........well you know what I mean. If the AMS is so good then by all means go with them, enjoy their company BUT stop advertising their not so esteemed presence on the SC boards.
U99 Supersub wrote:Hi Steve,
Yes I quite willingly sent you the information because you asked and in the sub we were discussing it works. You then went off on a tangent I don't happen to like or agree with because I feel these old design ballast systems are not safe and cannot be justifiably used when there are more modern and safer methods available.
I agree that there are many ways to achieve the goal of a sailing model submarine but surely the prime objective is dependability and safety.
An Engel tank isn't elitist. It's a reasonably inexpensive well engineered ballast tank system that is about as safe as any system available when used with a Engel/Bruggen BTS. For £150 quid you get the tank and operating switch with THREE built in fail safe systems.
If you choose to go down a route that's old and by modern standards unreliable that's your choice. Model submarines are great fun and there is tremendous satisfaction to be gained from building and operating them. I go to the lake, put the boat in the water, sail for upto 2 hours or so then take the boat home via the local, result..........happy as a sand boy! Put your (in my view) sub-standard (heath robinson) boat in the water and you stand a far greater chance of going home with just your boat stand and Tx (that's if you can get it to work). I've seen it happen at a low key model boat club regatta and it's not nice, even when it's not your boat. (the owner wasn't AMS or SC).
The environment that model submarines have to operate in is probably the most hostile that any working model has to endure. Even more so if your lake is at all like my local one. Zero to six foot in about 10 feet, much less in places, then a sheer drop to an average of 35 feet. Don't ever forget you are operating a model in the full size environment!
As for taking sides. Yes I will take sides and defend any moderm ballast system over the pioneering ones every time IF the modern system can be fitted in the boat. Anyone who doesn't is in my opinion is foolhardy.
I will also take sides when it comes to posting on this board. I have every right to post here because I am a paid up member of the SubCommittee and SubCommittee UK.
Andy isn't an SC UK member so what gives him the right to preach on this board to those of us who are members. The Model Engineer Exhibition was mentioned as a show case for the AMS in his last little rant BUT do they sail their boats at the Model Engineer?......NO. Will they share their information freely, like I did with you if you went up to talk to them on their stand?........NO. Would they allow you to post as you have done on this site?........NO. Would they let you sail one of their boats at a regatta?..........NO.
Having a group to go to is great and if Andy seems your sort of guy to learn from/talk to that's fine too. Why not join the SC and the AMS, then over time choose which group you like best.............However until you are a paid up member of the SC and SC UK please do not try the "moderating" bit on this board over something you know very little/nothing about.
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