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Postby IAmProfessorFate » Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:54 pm

I'm building a model of Professor Fate's sub from "The Great Race" and am
somewhat stymied by the fact that there's only one shot of it the movie!

Progress to date:
http://www.artimation.com/Fate/PFSub05d1.mov

More painful still is that I've seen the darn thing in person, at least 30
years ago at that Buena Park museum, but have no photos to show of it. :-\

I found ONE picture online; the model somebody built Forrest Ackerman, but
while it's certainly cute, it's not very accurate.

Does anybody have any reference for it beyond what appears in the movie
itself?

Thanks!
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A tree that will give you a sign
Come along with me to the sweetheart tree
Come and carve your name next to mine.

They say if you kiss the right sweetheart
The one you’ve been waiting for
Big blossoms of white will burst into sight
And your love will be true evermore.

They say if you kiss the right sweetheart
The one you’ve been waiting for
Big blossoms of white will burst into sight
And your love will be true evermore.
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Postby Sub culture » Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:25 am

That's superb! :D

Are you building a R/C version, or is it a virtual model only?

Be great to see something like this in the water!

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Postby IAmProfessorFate » Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:26 am

Sub culture wrote:That's superb! :D

Are you building a R/C version, or is it a virtual model only?

Be great to see something like this in the water!

Andy


Thanks! For now it's just virtual, but I am building it so it could be output on an STL machine -- "Just in case"

I've put up some more stuff. :-)

http://www.artimation.com/Fate

Will give you the "Index of Fate" (gotta love the sound of that)

REFERENCE contains a couple screen grabs and the Forry Ackerman model.

MY MODEL is, well, my model, and contains a QTVR of the ship as of today.
Click and drag the mouse to move the model around.

Enjoy!
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Postby U812 » Wed Feb 02, 2005 1:36 am

Never mind.



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Postby U812 » Wed Feb 02, 2005 3:08 am

never mind.



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Postby modelnut » Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:29 pm

VERY COOL!

I have loved that movie since I first saw it!

"Push the button, Max!" :D

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Is there any chance you could email me a set of regular blueprint-type views of your FateSub?

I have kicked around the idea of building one of those myself.

-Leelan

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Postby IAmProfessorFate » Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:25 am

modelnut wrote:Is there any chance you could email me a set of regular blueprint-type views of your FateSub?

I have kicked around the idea of building one of those myself.

-Leelan


Hey Leelan

I would if I could, but I don't really have any such thing, since I'm just carving this out in 3D. I can make you a set of orthgraphic renders when it's done though.

For those interested in the process and progress:

First I roughed out all the basic shapes, in the movie you saw before:

http://www.artimation.com/Fate/PFSub05d1.mov

Then I overlaid the rough shapes with a screen grab from the movie (thank to Marty Hart at the widescreenmuseum.com for specification on 1965 Panavision lenses so I could match it) and tweaked everthing as closely as I could to the real deal. That result is here:

http://www.artimation.com/Fate/MyModel/PFSub08h.mov

It's a QuickTime VR object movie. This means you can click and hold and drag around your mouse to look at it from different angles.

Obviously I haven't put the rudder framework in yet. That area's a mess and I'm still trying to figure out just what it does!
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Postby modelnut » Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:50 am

Professor!

No problem. orthgraphic renders would be fine.

I have waited twenty years and more so a little more would not hurt.

=Leelan

"Deir dere! Deir dere!" :p
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Postby modelnut » Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:52 am

Professor!

No problem. orthgraphic renders would be fine.

I have waited twenty years and more so a little more would not hurt.

-Leelan

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Postby Captain Nemo » Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:15 am

From the standpoint of making an actual manned minisub like this, the basic pressure hull would be simple. Any metalfab shop that produced propane tanks could make the cylinder and end caps.

One problem both manned and R/C variants would face is the paddlewheels. However, with the right cam-mechanism in the hubs, the blades might actually be made to generate thrust when they should, and alternably return to a zero angle of attack when that was desirable.

I'm not saying the wheels wouldn't still produce a lot of unnecessary drag, but at first glance it looks like they could actually be rendered in a functional form while remaining within the design constraints.

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Postby Sub culture » Thu Feb 17, 2005 6:21 am

I'd be inclined to make those paddle wheels for show only, and use the small prop for motive power.

Making the retracting periscope and turning front barb/screw work would be fun!

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Postby IAmProfessorFate » Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:48 am

Captain Nemo wrote:One problem both manned and R/C variants would face is the paddlewheels. However, with the right cam-mechanism in the hubs, the blades might actually be made to generate thrust when they should, and alternably return to a zero angle of attack when that was desirable.

I spent an embarrassing long time trying to match the paddles to the reference photos before I worked out that the blades do, in fact, have a zero angle of attack on the real model.

Of course, now the number one complaint I've received about MY model is the zero angle of attack!

The input and attention is really appreciated. Thanks guys!
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Postby IAmProfessorFate » Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:50 am

Sub culture wrote:I'd be inclined to make those paddle wheels for show only, and use the small prop for motive power.

Making the retracting periscope and turning front barb/screw work would be fun!

From what I've been able to work out, everything (paddles, main prop, nose screw) turn at the same RPM too. Heh.
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Postby Sub culture » Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:28 pm

Hmmm, don't think that would work well.

A prop that small would need to turn pretty quickly to provide any meaningful thrust.

You'd need to cheat a bit there- not that anyone would notice (unless you told them!) :;):

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