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Trumpeter Future release - Gato class model

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Postby Tom Dougherty » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:34 pm

TSM-5905 1/144 USS Gato SS212 Submarine 1941 $ TBA
TSM-5906 1/144 USS Gato SS212 Submarine 1944 $TBA

No timelines given. Hope they don't screw it up like their Seawolf kit in 1/144.
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Postby Gerwalk » Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:07 am

Let me correct your comment:
"Hope they don't screw it up like their Seawolf, Romeo(s) and Kilo kits in 1/144."
:D
Actually:
:( or :angry:

I think a 1/144 Gato is very welcomed. My only hope is that they use the same team of modelers that made the masters of the 1/350 Sovremenny class (impressive quality kit)
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Postby Mandrake » Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:24 pm

Was rather hoping Trumpeter would announce something abit more modern, but I guess the Gato is something to look forward to especially if they intend to do a few more WWII boats in 1/144!

Let me correct your comment:
"Hope they don't screw it up like their Seawolf, Romeo(s) and Kilo kits in 1/144."


I am aware of the problems of the Seawolf kit but whats the matter with the Romeos and Kilo?
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Postby Tom Dougherty » Fri Dec 30, 2005 11:19 am

I've learned that someone in the model field that I respect has been involved working with Trumpeter on the Gato. So, there is hope that they will issue a decent kit. Still no timeline or projections as to when the kit(s) will become available, other than 2006.
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Postby BLesht » Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:48 pm

I'm excited about the prospect of a 1/144 Gato. WWII fleet submarines were so varied in detail that having a nice intermediate-scale (I personally think 1/72 is too big for convenient display) kit will offer lots of opportunities for modeling specific boats. As much as I love the look of the more modern subs, within-class they all look pretty much the same to my (admittedly) unpracticed eye. I assume that the announcement of both a 1941 and a 1944 version of Gato means that the Trumpeter designers are aware that the fairwaters and armament changed over time.

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Postby Tom Dougherty » Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:53 pm

I hope that the Trumpeter 1/144 kit will turn out to be decent. Trumpeter did employ someone who knows something about these submarines, and also used the FD Gato & Balao plan book. I think the 1/72 scale will end up being R/C'ed, but as far as a display model, it will be a monster at 52 inches long, whereas the 26 inch 1/144 will build into a nice size display model.
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Postby Gerwalk » Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:56 am

Mandrake wrote:I am aware of the problems of the Seawolf kit but whats the matter with the Romeos and Kilo?

Tom: I'm glad to read about someone with real knowledge on the Gato is working with them!

Mandrake, here is a very short list of the main defects on those models:
Kilo: wrong hull shape (should be a teardrop shape instead of a cylinder), wrong deck height (IMHO is 3 mm taller, i.e. 43. cm taller than it should in the real thing) and shape (specially aft), wrong rudder shape, wrong screw blades shape.
Romeo: wrong propellers position and shape, wrong torps tube doors shape (the ones at the stern are in a wrong position too), in fact the whole stern under the waterline is wrong!
There is a lot of other details lacking or wrong on both models too.
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Postby Tom Dougherty » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:47 am

Gerwalk wrote:
Mandrake wrote:I am aware of the problems of the Seawolf kit but whats the matter with the Romeos and Kilo?


Mandrake, here is a very short list of the main defects on those models:
Kilo: wrong hull shape (should be a teardrop shape instead of a cylinder), wrong deck height (IMHO is 3 mm taller, i.e. 43. cm taller than it should in the real thing) and shape (specially aft), wrong rudder shape, wrong screw blades shape.
Romeo: wrong propellers position and shape, wrong torps tube doors shape (the ones at the stern are in a wrong position too), in fact the whole stern under the waterline is wrong!
There is a lot of other details lacking or wrong on both models too.


Trumpeter is well on their way to becoming the Revell (USA) of the 21st Century. Why bother with researching the real details when you can make them up? Never mind that there are plenty of knowledgable modelers with lots of research material who more than willing to help out with the facts. They have repeatedly screwed up both surface ship & submarine models. The bow on their USS Hornet kit caused major howls on the SteelNavy site. Wasn't even close...

They are using the time-honored principle of mushroom management on modelers: "Keep'em in the dark and feed them sh*t"


Maybe this time it will be different with the Gatos....we can only hope they will listen to their advisor. Time will tell.
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