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Postby Ramius » Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:11 am

I am trying to find the names of the individual alfa boats.The hull numbers are easy to find.
I am patterning my Alfa after the K-123.
There is little information on these boats,which is odd,since they are no longer in service.Only recently,Matt Thor released the updates on them(thanks Matt).
Does anybody out there have that kind of information,and anything else juicy on the Alfa,Akula,or Typoon boats which is not common information on the web or the few books out there?
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Postby Tom Spettel » Sat Aug 09, 2003 11:23 pm

Did youy try Haze-gray-and-underway?
i found some good info on the Alpha's there.
I modeled mine after the one that hit a whale! as Dave M would say..peta be damned!!!
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Postby Ramius » Sun Aug 10, 2003 9:06 am

Thanks Tom.
That is an interesting site I did not know about.
The whale story sounds interesting.Would like to find out where you heard about that.
Still,though,their does not seem to be a source for the names of the Alfas.That is kind of odd.I find it hard to belive so many went to sea without naming thier boats.Surely it is not a "state secret" anymore.
In fact,from what I understand,they are all sitting around waiting for the torch.Seems a shame,doesn't it?
History will be lost there folks! They(or one) should be saved to a museum somewhere,even here.Bet they could be bought for a song.
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Postby SubEd Tordahl » Mon Aug 11, 2003 7:23 am

K-432 hit the whale.

It's the boat referenced to in the NOVEL Hunt for Red October.

The novel claims to have a section of the whales rib in it's wardroom.

Here are links to my site showing my K432:

http://www.pcbdui.com/scli/432/k432.html

And the site I got my reference data from: (the link is posted on my page as well.

http://www.warships1.com/RUSssn19_Alfa.htm

Love my ALFA, does 3m a second at FLANK!!
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Postby TMSmalley » Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:01 pm

I don't think the Russians were real big on naming all their subs individually, but the classes tended to be named. (See list below.)

Go to Tim's RC-Submarines website - photos of 1:1 Alfas

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RUSSIAN SUB PROJECT NUMBERS
Listed by NATO Name, Project Number, Russian Name, and the Translated Name.

SSBNs
TYPHOON, 941, Akula, Shark
DELTA IV, 667BDRM, Delfin, Dolphin
DELTA III, 667BDR, Kalmar, Squid
DELTA II, 667BD, Murina-M, Eel
DELTA I, 667B, Murina, Eel

SSGNs/SSGs
OSCAR II, 949A, Granit, Granite
OSCAR I, 949, Antyey, Giant Greek God who ruled Libya
CHARLIE II, 670M, Skat-M, Ray
ECHO II, 675M (no name)
YANKEE SIDECAR, 667M, Andromeda, Andromeda
JULIETT, 651 (no name)

SSNs
Severodvinsk, 885 (all using this name for the city/shipyard)
AKULA I/II, 971, Bars, Snow Leopard
SIERRA I/II, 945/945A, Baracuda, Barracuda
ALFA, 705, 705K, Lyra (stellar constellation/ ancient stringed instrument)
VICTOR III, 671RTM, Shuka, Pike
VICTOR I/II, 671R/671RT, Kefal I/II, Mullet
YANKEE NOTCH, 667AR, Grosha, Baby

SSs
KILO, 877 (various) and 636 (export), Granay
TANGO, 641B, SOM, Fish?
FOXTROT, 641 (no name)

Auxiliaries
BELUGA SSA, 1710 (is this the Russian name? If so, a small, white whale)
UNIFORM SSAN (unknown)
YANKEE POD/STRETCH SSAN, 667, (unknown)
LOSOS SSA, 865, Pyranja, Pyranha
PALTUS/XRAY SSA, 1916 (unknown)
INDIA SSA, 940, Lenok, Salmon
BRAVO SSA, 690, Kefal, Mullet (same as VICTOR I/II)




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Postby TMSmalley » Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:43 pm

For more information on the Alfa, project 705 - 705 K go to the "Eastview Publications" website. They sell tons of Russian books (in Russian :p). There is one on the Alfa with photos titled Malaia skorostnaia avtomatizirovannaia podvodnaia lodka-istrebitel' pr. 705 (705K) translated = Small high-speed automated fighter submarine. Project 705 (705K).

In fact the photo of the Alfa moored that I used in my last post (above) is the cover shot of that book. Note - the photos and diagrams are all in black and white and everying is in Russian. Da! There is a good diagram of the creeper motor assemblies that Matt Thor is now providing on his new Alfa hull kit.

I have purchased from Eastview with no problems. In fact, they have an office right here in Minnneapolis but the book was shipped from the Rodina within about two weeks of my order! (I've waited longer than that for stuff from somewhat more local vendors... :;):

click here to go to Eastview Publications




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Postby Ramius » Mon Aug 11, 2003 10:45 pm

I have that book.It is very good.My wife is russian(what's with me and the russians?).I get her to translate from time to time.But I try not to wear her out on something as interesting to her as knitting is to me:)
That is where I found out the Alfa has an escape pod designed into the sail.For those of you who have Matt's kit,the outline scribed into the sail is the detachable escape pod itself.I have another book on russian boats her mother sent me from the Ukraine that shows the escape pod.This book is a 2002 release.I have not seen it anywhere else,so far.
And what about that elusive Begula?There is another one where there is little information on.
I heard there is an article on that boat out there somewhere on the web,but I have not found it.
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Postby Tom Spettel » Mon Aug 11, 2003 10:53 pm

Cool links guys!! yes the alpha is fast. i talked to Matt before i got mine in the water and at that time he
told me that the alpha would increase
in speed once submerged without any
advance in the throttle, i kinda though yha yha ok well i put the alpha in the water for the first time and WOW!!! Matt was right!!!! that thing motors along once it goes under the waves!!! moral of the story is (for you new guys) always listen to your vendors they have already figured it out for you.
the one ruskie boat i am waiting for
is that Victor III Matt is going to do
in the future..
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