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Postby Kwakelee » Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:53 am

US Navy: 2 vessels collide in Strait of Hormuz

MANAMA, Bahrain – Two U.S. Navy vessels — a submarine and an amphibious ship — collided during the early morning hours Friday in the Strait of Hormuz between Iran and the Arabian peninsula, the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet reported.

The military said in a statement that the incident occurred around 1:00 a.m. local time on Friday (5 p.m. EDT, Thursday), when the USS Hartford, a submarine, and the USS New Orleans, an amphibious ship, collided.

According to the Bahrain-based 5th Fleet, 15 sailors aboard the Hartford were slightly injured but able to return to duty. No injuries were reported aboard the New Orleans.

Both ships were heading to port when the incident occurred in the narrow strait, said Lt. Nate Christensen. He said the incident occurred at night, and the submarine was submerged at the time, but said he could give no further details as the incident is still under investigation.

Both vessels are now heading to port for repairs and evaluation, but Christensen said that following standard security procedures he could not say where the vessels were heading.

The New Orleans suffered a ruptured fuel tank, resulting in an oil spill of approximately 25,000 gallons (95,000 liters) of diesel fuel. There was no damage the nuclear reactor powering the Hartford, Christensen said.

Both ships are currently operating under their own power.

The Navy said both ships were on regularly scheduled deployments to the region and conducting security operations.

Oil prices rose after news of the collision which happened in a busy shipping route.

As much as 17 million barrels of oil a day went through the narrow strait in the first half of 2008, or about 40 percent of all seaborne traded oil or 20 percent of all oil traded globally.

The Hartford is based in Groton, Conn. and the New Orleans is based in San Diego, Calif., the Navy said.
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Postby Robert » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:44 pm

That'll leave a mark (on some careers.)
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Postby Robert » Fri Mar 20, 2009 4:55 pm

Interesting. According to the Wikipedia,

"On 25 October 2003 Hartford ran aground near La Maddalena in Sardinia with such force that rudders, sonar and other electronic equipment were severely damaged.[1]"

Are the Los Angeles class prone to collission, ie. do they have bad visibility in some sense, or are the current crop of captains just not up to snuff?
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Postby wlambing » Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:02 am

Robert,

There are many reasons for a collision at sea to occur. The 688 class are no more prone than any class that proceeded them. Lots of "bumps" and near misses to be shared amongst the fast attacks and boomers, too.
Operating in straits, submerged, is hairy stuff. Water/acoustic conditions are subject to instant changes and even the best sonar suites have to become limited by what nature throws at them. Another factor to consider is that sound silencing on combatant surface vessels has advanced, as well as on subs, making them (skimmers) more difficult to track.
We will have to see what the Court of Inquiry determines as the root cause.

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Postby junglelord » Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:13 am

They would not have that problem if the had a Seaview
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Postby U-5075 » Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:50 am

Street Talk.
Not much, but interesting. More to come out in a month or more.

http://bubbleheads.blogspot.com/
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Postby U-5075 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:58 am

Here's the more interesting stuff.

Distant photo released by US Navy. "they appear to have the bridge manned, and have the National Ensign attached to the BRA-34 mast.
That is really good news; no one wants to do a completely blind landing in Bahrain or wherever they're heading."

http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=69804


Hi Res., enlarged photo

http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/ ... 9X-935.jpg


[Many] Blog comments bunch #1

http://bubbleheads.blogspot.com/2009/03 ... l#comments


Blog comments, bunch #2.... not much really new here.

http://bubbleheads.blogspot.com/2009/03 ... l#comments
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Postby U-5075 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:50 am

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/artic ... 0323073/-1

Pearl Harbor shipyard crew responds to sub collision in Persian Gulf
A rapid deployment team of Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard engineers and mechanics flew to the Persian Gulf yesterday to support a U.S. Navy submarine involved in a collision there Friday.

"Our Shipyard Team excels at rapid response in situations such as this," said Capt. Greg R. Thomas, shipyard commander. "True to our legacy, whether flying to Guam or Bahrain to repair stricken submarines or responding to a mishap right off our coast, Pearl Harbor workers consistently adapt and succeed in any adverse situation."
The nuclear submarine USS Hartford collided with the amphibious transport dock ship USS New Orleans in the Strait of Hormuz early Friday morning. The 12 shipyard personnel will assess the damage to Hartford and begin in-theater repairs, officials said.

Additional shipyard personnel will fly to the region later this week. They will return upon completion of their mission.

The New Orleans suffered a ruptured fuel tank, resulting in an oil spill of approximately 25,000 gallons of diesel fuel, the Navy said. The propulsion plant of the submarine was unaffected by the collision, officials said.

According to the Bahrain-based 5th Fleet, 15 sailors aboard the Hartford were slightly injured but able to return to duty. No injuries were reported aboard the New Orleans and both ships were operating under their own power.

Oil prices reversed course and traded higher last week on the news of the collision in the Strait of Hormuz, the portal for about 40 percent of all seaborne traded oil last year.

Shipyard personnel routinely deploy throughout the Asia-Pacific Region for engineering, maintenance and repair missions, officials said. In addition, rapid deployment teams respond to incidents such as the Hartford collision.

A shipyard team deployed to Bahrain on short notice after a Japanese oil tanker and the submarine USS Newport News collided in early January 2007.

The circumstances surrounding the Strait of Hormuz collision are currently under investigation, the Navy said.

Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard is the largest industrial employer in the state of Hawaii with a combined civilian and military workforce of about 4,700. It has an operating budget of $620 million, of which more than $390 million is payroll for civilian employees.
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Postby Kwakelee » Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:57 am

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Postby wlambing » Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:04 pm

Keith,
Call for a crane, have 67H get a set of 688 mast clamps together, and two carts. Wake the 'Scope shop up and have them get ready to pull the tubes. We'll tandem-tow the carts with their truck. Call the Duty PO at Squadron, see if we can get their pickup. Have H get get the sail tagged out. I'll call R-9 and get a couple of their guys to pull sail plates. We'll need the stuff for making oil dams, oh, and a case of Kimwipes, too! Echo and Foxtrot can come down to help. I'll be in as soon as I find my Khakis. Oh, I 'spose a tri-wall full of hacksaw blades would be good, too.

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Postby Kwakelee » Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:30 am

wlambing wrote:Keith,
Call for a crane, have 67H get a set of 688 mast clamps together, and two carts. Wake the 'Scope shop up and have them get ready to pull the tubes. We'll tandem-tow the carts with their truck. Call the Duty PO at Squadron, see if we can get their pickup. Have H get get the sail tagged out. I'll call R-9 and get a couple of their guys to pull sail plates. We'll need the stuff for making oil dams, oh, and a case of Kimwipes, too! Echo and Foxtrot can come down to help. I'll be in as soon as I find my Khakis. Oh, I 'spose a tri-wall full of hacksaw blades would be good, too.

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Right we will Also need to GEt a hold Of PSNS for a New indow and I will get the Golf Guys Started on the Removal ASAP. :shock:
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Postby Britt Boyette » Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:01 am

My son is a Marine currently serving on board the USS New Orleans. He was heading to his rack after his watch was over when the ship ran over the sub. He said it felt like the ship had run aground but the GQ alarm didn't go off. Instead, the 1 mc called for the manning and deployment of the small boats. He rushed up on deck and with the aid of the ships stoplights saw the damaged sub. He also noticed that his ship had begun to take on a slight list which was the result of a damage fuel tank and a damaged ballast tank. They have since put in to port to check out and possibly repair the damaged hull.
I was at home watching the news when this was announced. Talk about a instant sick feeling hearing that and not knowing any details is a tough deal for any parent to go though. He gets out in October which isn't soon enough for me.
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Postby junglelord » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:33 am

You could say that hit close to home
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We can laugh cause he is OK, but its not funny till he is home.
I pray his safe return.
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Postby U-5075 » Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:18 pm

Navy Times article

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/03/n ... l_032709w/

Sub rolled 85 degrees after collision


Staff report
Posted : Friday Mar 27, 2009 11:53:59 EDT
Investigators think the attack submarine Hartford rolled 85 degrees after it collided with the amphibious transport dock New Orleans in the Strait of Hormuz on March 20, according to a Navy statement.

The Friday press release from 5th Fleet confirms initial chatter on how violently the two vessels collided, which occurred around 1 a.m. while the submarine was transiting into the Persian Gulf submerged but near the surface. Fifteen Hartford sailors were injured but were able to return to the duty.

“Despite the roll, engineering investigations have confirmed the propulsion plant of the submarine was unaffected by this collision,” the statement said. “However, Hartford sustained damage to its sail and periscope, as well as the port bow plane.”

The collision punched a 16-by-18 foot hole in New Orleans’ fuel tank, and two interior ballast tanks were damaged, the statement said.

Both vessels are in Bahrain undergoing repair assessments. At the same time, two investigations are underway: a Judge Advocate General Manual investigation and a safety investigation. The JAGMAN is being led by Capt. Craig Kleint, commodore of the Dock Landing Ship Class Squadron. He is joined by a post-command submarine officer and a three-person legal team.

Both investigations are expected to last 30 days, but that can be extended, the statement said.
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Postby U-5075 » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:47 pm

A bit more.

Some hypotheses of what happened and then discussions/blogs
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004761.html

Damage assessment and comments on forthcoming investigation.
http://navycompass.com/content/view/1237/322/
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